The Arab narratives have nothing to do with what I am saying to you. You have to put your aspirations into proper perspective in hope that you will end up doing more good than harm. Both Haim Weitzman and Ben Gurion had arguments on ideals and practicality of application. Might do you good to read on their biographies a bit.
אוקיי, דבר ראשון קראתי. דבר שני, אנחנו לא נשיג שום דר אם נעמוד כמו חבורה של מפגרים ונביט בפלסטינים רוצחים ילדים תמימים וחיילים צעירים שרק רוצים להגן על המולדת. אנחנו לא יכול לשבת ולעשות כלום. לדוגמא אתמול (אוגוסט 9 2011) חולייה של מחבלים רצחו 8 אנשים, ורוצים לתת עדיין לטרוריסטים האלה מדינה. זה שלום?! לא זה טמטום!
The main problem for us is that there is a wide consensus against Israeli control of the whole of Judea and Samaria and that to just say "fuck you all" could result in some harsh politically motivated responses even from countries with whom we have reasonably good ties. The world revolves around interests and the oil interest is a damn strong one. You are probably too young to remember the days that Pepsi and McDonalds were scared of the Arab boycott and refused to sell their products here.
Also, while you are probably right that the discussion is extremely alarming, there are also some pluses if the Arabs get a small portion of what they requested. Obviously, one horrible possibility is what we are dealing with now with the Sinai dessert border where we can't even send troops into Egyptian territory to deal with problems -- but the Gaza example is not necessarily black or white and the discussions over what we're thinking of doing in the "west bank" are over an option that will give Israel a LOT of leeway. These things come in shades of gray and the arguments, even the ones we disagree with, have some logic.
p.s. I was far more disturbed by the recent killing of the baby in his bed with the father next to him, and by the launching of a rocket on a children's bus -- than a standard terrorist attack on a bus that occurred yesterday. Regardless, arguments should IMHO be made with what the general public and leadership is promoting -- which is pretty bad -- and not with singular examples of terrorist attacks.
Also, while you are probably right that the discussion is extremely alarming, there are also some pluses if the Arabs get a small portion of what they requested. Obviously, one horrible possibility is what we are dealing with now with the Sinai dessert border where we can't even send troops into Egyptian territory to deal with problems -- but the Gaza example is not necessarily black or white and the discussions over what we're thinking of doing in the "west bank" are over an option that will give Israel a LOT of leeway. These things come in shades of gray and the arguments, even the ones we disagree with, have some logic.
p.s. I was far more disturbed by the recent killing of the baby in his bed with the father next to him, and by the launching of a rocket on a children's bus -- than a standard terrorist attack on a bus that occurred yesterday. Regardless, arguments should IMHO be made with what the general public and leadership is promoting -- which is pretty bad -- and not with singular examples of terrorist attacks.